jumpers and marking

[ggrahamlc]

So this is an issue that irritates me. I have read about people jumping in auctions and have seen it happen. Not a big fan of jumpers but sometimes it makes sense. Why jump in an auction when two bidbutlers are battling or two people are speed bidding. Let them waste bids if they want to do this. Its part of strategy. Let them waste bids and conserve yours. I personally try to bid at the beginning to say im here, but sometimes im away and cant bid till the auction already started.

What also gets me is why do people mark the auctions, is it to say hey this is my auction and you better stay away?

Input would be appreciated. Thanks

[Bargainsandfun]

So this is an issue that irritates me. I have read about people jumping in auctions and have seen it happen. Not a big fan of jumpers but sometimes it makes sense. Why jump in an auction when two bidbutlers are battling or two people are speed bidding. Let them waste bids if they want to do this. Its part of strategy. Let them waste bids and conserve yours. I personally try to bid at the beginning to say im here, but sometimes im away and cant bid till the auction already started.

What also gets me is why do people mark the auctions, is it to say hey this is my auction and you better stay away?

Input would be appreciated. Thanks

My thoughts on this are that some sites have a "Closed Group" function that if you don't bid early on you may not be able to bid later. Marking the auction in the beginning means that even if you decide not to bid until the end you can at least still be able to bid.

As for the other thing about bidding during a bid buddy war - Only thought I can think of would be that you are trying to show your dominance and that even a bid buddy will not scare you away.

[becdream]

I hate jumpers who jump in after I had been in a bidding war with somebody for a long time but I also know that this is how the game works and I will have to ensure I have enough bids to outbid all who decide to jump in at whatever time.

I sometimes "tag" an auction in hopes that someone may decide to not bid when they see that I am going to be bidding on it. Does it work? I don't know but then I'm not a huge powerbidder so I guess I'm just a small fry.

Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose.

[suzyq]

My thoughts on this are that some sites have a "Closed Group" function that if you don't bid early on you may not be able to bid later. Marking the auction in the beginning means that even if you decide not to bid until the end you can at least still be able to bid.

The only site I know of with this "closed group" feature is Swoopo. Are there others?

As far as jumping in, I have always been totally against it and would never do it to other bidders. A few months ago, I would have to say that it didn't happen that often and bidders were more courteous as far as bidding practices. Now? Things have totally changed and it seems like everyone is doing it. There is nothing more aggravating than when you have 100 bids invested and some random person basically starts the auction over from square one. I would have to say that most of the auctions I have lost recently have been due to jumpers. I have started seriously watching the bidders who seem to jump in and would have no hesitation of returning the favor. There are others that I would never do it to.

[dragon ball]

That's why I haven't bid on BidSauce on BidCactus since there are too many jumpers bidding like you said after I spend several hundred bids. That is why I changed my User name on BidCactus and now only bid between 12 am to 7 am with only the site admin knows my user name besides myself.

[LuckP]

So this is an issue that irritates me. I have read about people jumping in auctions and have seen it happen. Not a big fan of jumpers but sometimes it makes sense. Why jump in an auction when two bidbutlers are battling or two people are speed bidding. Let them waste bids if they want to do this. Its part of strategy. Let them waste bids and conserve yours. I personally try to bid at the beginning to say im here, but sometimes im away and cant bid till the auction already started.

What also gets me is why do people mark the auctions, is it to say hey this is my auction and you better stay away?

Input would be appreciated. Thanks

I do it to let people know who they will be bidding against - I do tend to bid to the end, but don't have the clout of MrKrabs, metomorface11, MrsKrabs, RoxyK, SureThing. I play in the $100 cards and only rarely drop out, so by bidding right away, I am letting other regular bidders know that I am interested in the auction and avoid wasting their bids. If you watch BidCactus alot, you will see many of the strong bidders do this, and lately some of the wannabes as well.

[Barbarian]

As ggrahamic correctly noted, he has been watching people battle it out and waste their bids.

Everyone should understand one thing, what you are looking at during the bidding process isn't always what it seems. Whether people want to admit it or not, or whether they think it is right or not, More often than is realized when bidding on an item, you are being double teamed by other bidders. Meaning that the people who are rapidly bidding against each other are quite often operating as a team.

As soon as they see that their rapid bidding has caused others to sit back and watch them bid against each other and supposedly waste their bids, they suddenly stop bidding against each other at a pre-determined signal and allow the clock to run down to zero, confident in the fact that others will not step in and out bid them.

The team wins the item and the next time it is the other team members turn to win. Don't think for a moment that the rule of only one registration per household is being followed, that rule is being broken regularly because it is a tough one for auction sites to regulate.

Some cold hard truths need to be recognized in the Penny Auction idustry, In order for everything to be fair for everyone, whereby everyone has an equal chance at winning, which is as it should be, auction owners need to change their auction format to protect the average bidder, who is after all the mainstay of their income and survival.

When an auction site finds it necessary to place win limits in order to protect the average bidder, it should immediately send out a clear signal that an UNFAIR balance exists between regular winners and regular non winners and that their auction model has been breached. Not to forget of course that placing restrictions through win limits can also impact the sites income.

Until this and other similar problems are fixed ACROSS the industry, then expect the choice items to continually be taken by a few who have figured out how to play the penny auctions to their advantage. Only the auction site owners can correct this problem. Are there answers to this dilemma? You bet there are answers. Any Penny Auction owners reading this feel free to contact me PRIVATELY.

[suzyq]

Barbarian, very good points....thank you.

[abidaway]

Pretty nice post Barbarian. Feel free to contact me via my site. I would like to hear some more of your ideas.
Will

[Bargainsandfun]

The only site I know of with this "closed group" feature is Swoopo. Are there others?

I have it on my site now and have begun using it on the higher priced items. It will inevitably start being used on more auctions as there is more call for it. Check my ended auctions and you'll see which ones went to "Inner-Loop" auctions - those are the ones that at some point along the bidding became a closed to new bidders auction.

[dzignr_tastz]

While I'm sure it happens, I feel Barbarian is blowing it a little out of proportion... for if you're an intelligent site owner, you should be able to notice repetitive patterns (even between as many as 4 or 5 people) if you watch closely (and you should). It's no different than noticing shill bidder patterns (which could ALSO be a direct result of people "battling it out").

Furthermore, how are site owners supposed to contact you PRIVATELY about this issue? Oh wait. Your website link in your sig (which is free advertising, and not allowed on PAW).

I'd personally focus on reading (and following) the rules before you worry about others breaking them...

[rockybiduser]

Oh wait. Your website link in your sig (which is free advertising, and not allowed on PAW).

I'd personally focus on reading (and following) the rules before you worry about others breaking them...

Please check this thread all PA owner who post have their site name in their signature.So if we don't want to see this free advertising let PAW admin to decide for that.Its not good to singled out someone when in the same thread other are doing the same thing too.Lets make the rule generic and leave it upto PAW admin to take a decision.;)

[dzignr_tastz]

Please check this thread all PA owner who post have their site name in their signature.So if we don't want to see this free advertising let PAW admin to decide for that.Its not good to singled out someone when in the same thread other are doing the same thing too.Lets make the rule generic and leave it upto PAW admin to take a decision.;)

All? I see two - and only one is telling people to contact him outside the site (which is why it primarily caught my eye... but is ironically, also against the rules).

And I think she already decided it (in case that escaped you). I was just offering a friendly reminder. I mean - why should certain sites pay to advertise when everyone can obviously do it for free?

[abidaway]

All? I see two - and only one is telling people to contact him outside the site (which is why it primarily caught my eye... but is ironically, also against the rules).

And I think she already decided it (in case that escaped you). I was just offering a friendly reminder. I mean - why should certain sites pay to advertise when everyone can obviously do it for free?

I happen to agree here. I would like to discuss this further

[dzignr_tastz]

I happen to agree here. I would like to discuss this further

That wasn't very clear. You would like to discuss what further? If you are referring to Barbarian's post (even if it was off-topic), then by all means discuss it. That is what I was doing, and what this forum is for. But asking PA site owners to contact him PRIVATELY just seems a little suspicious to me...

[abidaway]

Sorry I was vague
I was referring to
"... why should certain sites pay to advertise when everyone can obviously do it for free?"

I wish this would be discussed more. I contacted Admin and asked what I would be allowed to advertise/promote and how to do it the right way. Until I hear back I have not promoted anything, and I have never had a link in my sig.

[dzignr_tastz]

No problem. I just wasn't sure...

But to further clarify about the issue I chose to comment on (and specifically because it was questioned)... I believe the "site admin" has made her stance on this issue perfectly clear.

This forum is not free advertising space. Non-Vendor advertising or advertising not directly related to PennyAuctionWatch is not permitted. Posting of links to sites, site urls of any form that are in direct competition with PennyAuctionWatch is strictly prohibited. This includes advertising in signatures or avatars. Simply mentioning sites is not against the site rules, however excessive naming of a particular site will be considered spam.

That being noted, I am not sure what various authorized advertising options are currently being offered (other than the obvious banner spots on the site), so you would need to contact the site admin directly about that. I am sure she would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have.

Anyway - sorry for further derailing the thread. Back to jumpers and marking (only one of which I really ever do)... LOL!!

[rwb63]

While I'm sure it happens, I feel Barbarian is blowing it a little out of proportion... for if you're an intelligent site owner, you should be able to notice repetitive patterns (even between as many as 4 or 5 people) if you watch closely (and you should). It's no different than noticing shill bidder patterns (which could ALSO be a direct result of people "battling it out").

Furthermore, how are site owners supposed to contact you PRIVATELY about this issue? Oh wait. Your website link in your sig (which is free advertising, and not allowed on PAW).

I'd personally focus on reading (and following) the rules before you worry about others breaking them...

Dzigner beware when you don't agree with barbarian it can turn to a personal attack with name calling and everything.

We discussed this team concept some time back where 1 person funds 5 or 6 bidders to dominate a site. (Something like the movie 21) and this is something the sites would have to catch because it could clean out a site.

This other team concept of tag teaming in theory could be done ,but on higher end items for most part it would not work power bidders would clean them out.This theory is being over blown.
The bottom line is we need to worry more about sites and their owners scamming us then a few bidders trying to get over.

As for collusion beyond this forum we just had a member banned that contacted forum member outside this forum so people will find a way to contact each other if they want.with facebook and marketing tools such as that it would make it even easier.

Having site owners on the site is a great thing and there is much owners and bidders can learn from each other, but if they want to advertise they should pay PAW like other already do.
But owners on the site and having discussions about their site in their own thread is a good thing

Sorry for getting off topic ggrah
Marking items I think shows your interested in the item and hopefully helps other decide if they want to bid against certain bidders.
It's also helps solves the jumper thing if bidders know who is interested.

As for jumpers your right it is a good strategy some times but as suzy said when bidders use this strategy then other bidders will do the same to them.
It's all part of playing the game and the nature of the beast I guess, that's what makes bidding so much fun.
Hope this helps

[bigman701]

Dzigner beware when you don't agree with barbarian it can turn to a personal attack with name calling and everything.

We discussed this team concept some time back where 1 person funds 5 or 6 bidders to dominate a site. (Something like the movie 21) and this is something the sites would have to catch because it could clean out a site.

This other team concept of tag teaming in theory could be done ,but on higher end items for most part it would not work power bidders would clean them out.This theory is being over blown.
The bottom line is we need to worry more about sites and their owners scamming us then a few bidders trying to get over.

As for collusion beyond this forum we just had a member banned that contacted forum member outside this forum so people will find a way to contact each other if they want.with facebook and marketing tools such as that it would make it even easier.

Having site owners on the site is a great thing and there is much owners and bidders can learn from each other, but if they want to advertise they should pay PAW like other already do.
But owners on the site and having discussions about their site in their own thread is a good thing

Sorry for getting off topic ggrah
Marking items I think shows your interested in the item and hopefully helps other decide if they want to bid against certain bidders.
It's also helps solves the jumper thing if bidders know who is interested.

As for jumpers your right it is a good strategy some times but as suzy said when bidders use this strategy then other bidders will do the same to them.
It's all part of playing the game and the nature of the beast I guess, that's what makes bidding so much fun.
Hope this helps

That is the practice I do. I will put a bid or 2 in early to show interest. I then will adjust my bidding style according to who is challenging. I sit here watching auctions all the time looking for bidding styles and how deep they are willing to go. It is a system that has seemed to work on some sites and I do chart each bidder, what they won, how many bids they placed. On a certain site that is gaining new bidders in droves it is a little harder but most new bidders will bid the same day they sign up and you can see their style and if they truly know what they are doing. Most burn out early as they believe they can just sign up and win the new computer or PS3 on their first try, and then run up against a power bidder and become frustrated and quit. The one advise to these people is study, develop a strategy and stick to it. As far as jumpers I for one would not do it to someone else out of respect and yes it is true that also is charted.

[dzignr_tastz]

Thanks for the warning, rwb63. hehe

And well said. But for the record, I was in no way stating that collusion wasn't a potential issue, but simply that I thought it was being blown out of proportion a bit in this situation. I also totally agree with you on all of us needing to "worry more about sites and their owners scamming us then a few bidders trying to get over", as I know for a fact that has been a widespread issue but rarely see what I would suspect as collusion. Either way, keep in mind this is PennyAuctionWatch... not PennyAuctionBidderWatch (although I do realize the site ultimately needs to cater to both parties).

Now I'm (again) not saying site owners aren't valuable to the site, nor that they shouldn't be able to use the forums as a venue to discuss such issues as collusion. In fact, site owners could possibly even have their very own forum to discuss such matters in private! But even if that's not not possible, I would just ask they do so in the appropriate place rather than hijacking what could have been a worthwhile thread.

And I'm fully aware of the potential for collusion, as well as the Nick situation. In fact, I've actually spent a good part of the weekend attempting to mediate that situation!! I also understand that collusion was the primary reason for disabling PM, but I personally think that is a major inconvenience at times for such a small problem when I would simply like to discuss something such as suspicious bidding patterns on certain sites without fellow bidders without having to publicly make accusations.

As for the real thread topic, I often "mark" an item myself simply to show intention (although how many times - and how often - I mark an item shows just how much intention). I rarely jump, however, unless my intention was stated early or I'm settling a score from being jumped myself. There's always next time, after all, and I hate it when it happens to me. It does happen, though... and like rwb62 said, it's all part of the game.

The next question is... what do you do when a jumper shows up? LOL

[Barbarian]

RWB63 I am going to be very nice to you in this post and gently explain to you that anyone and everyone can feel free to dissagree with me until the proverbial cows come home if they like. I can also assure you, that if they are correct in their dissagreements of me or my business, then I will be the first to own up to being wrong and appologize profusely for it.

However, while in the process of dissagreeing with me, if people make incorrect statements about me or my business and are sarcastic in the process, as well as attempting to influence others who may otherwise not have any way of knowing if their statements are correct or not, then I think I have a right to respond in a way that not only sets the record straight, but also admonish them for any incorrect reporting. I seriously doubt anyone would like to have their business hurt through eronious comments.

I would sincerely hope you can understand and agree with that. I don't want to have cross words with you or anyone else, please believe that.

With regard to others who made comment about my company name being attached to the bottom of my post. I assure you, my name at the bottom of it is PAW approved. This is the only permitted LIMITED use of name insertion that paw allows FREE.

If PAW wishes to change the rules, then my company name will be removed immediately as I am sure will all others who have also had approval to insert their name. Please be assured that no one is trying to slip something in with the hope it won't get noticed or tying to save a buck. I sincerely hope my explanation is adequate, but if not, then I am the wrong party to complain to, it is an issue that PAW needs to deal with.

My earlier post was directed primarily to the Penny Auction Owner.
The things I said in it are 100% true and factual and to the best of my ability I stayed on topic which included the issue of collusion posted by ggrahamic, therefore, no thread was hijacked.

With regard to my asking to be contacted privately, my intentions behind the request were honorable. As you can well imagine, it would be a daunting task to try and make contact with PA site owners not knowing if they wished to be contacted or not, this is why I said for those interested, please feel free to contact me privtely. If I had said hey PA owners contact me HERE on PAW, then I could be rightfully accused of hijacking a thread.

Please look at my original post on the topic of collusion as me trying to be helpfull to BOTH the PA Owner and the PA user (customer). To stop collusion and other similar offenses, which as you know especially hurts the average bidder, it must be stopped at the PA owners level. I have found a way to stop it which is in the best interest of everyone. I am quite prepared to pass my information on to my competitors, who in turn will pass the information on to you their customers.

Please understand, that the relationship between PA Owners and their customers should not be adverserial, both should have a common goal of doing away with collusion of any kind and doing away with the great disparity that exists between prolific winners and non winners.

[ggrahamlc]

to the respect of several members this thread was not about collusion. It may be perceived that way because some jumpers may be there to help others get the win by jumping in and out. Its about the annoying people who just like to jump in when people have battled for awhile(which is understandable to conserve bids in some instances).

Also its about people tagging(marking) auctions. It just annoys me to see one person tagging all auctions of a day on a site, and then they want to complain about "well i had that marked, why did you bid against me". Well what did you expect you have every auction tagged. duh! Stop tagging every auction. If you chose pick one to tag then go after others without tagging. I respect that more. To me its a bullseye for me to go after someone who seems to be so greedy that they want to tag everything

I for one really dont tag but have on very,very few occasions. Only if it is something i really want. If thats the way you chose to bid then so be it. Remember people are not being rude they just want to win something.

[bigman701]

to the respect of several members this thread was not about collusion. It may be perceived that way because some jumpers may be there to help others get the win by jumping in and out. Its about the annoying people who just like to jump in when people have battled for awhile(which is understandable to conserve bids in some instances).

Also its about people tagging(marking) auctions. It just annoys me to see one person tagging all auctions of a day on a site, and then they want to complain about "well i had that marked, why did you bid against me". Well what did you expect you have every auction tagged. duh! Stop tagging every auction. If you chose pick one to tag then go after others without tagging. I respect that more. To me its a bullseye for me to go after someone who seems to be so greedy that they want to tag everything

I for one really dont tag but have on very,very few occasions. Only if it is something i really want. If thats the way you chose to bid then so be it. Remember people are not being rude they just want to win something.

I for one don't tag everything and I agree it is very annoying. It is true though I will put an early bid on something that I am trying for, but you will not see me mark every auction.

[monikab]

hi,

i really do not like to jump in an aucton that 2 bidders have been bidding on for awhile, but i do have to admit that i will do it if

a) both bidders have used only bidbuddies and i think it would be stupid for me to waste a bid when both of them are fighting with bidbuddies . i wait till one of them runs out and then place a bid .

b) if 2 players run up the clock why would i put a bid in in the middle when they are continously bidding ? now when the timer his below 10 seconds i will put a bid in .


i rarely mark but once in awhile i will put in a bid on an item i would like . i think ifyou tag(mark 1 auction it is ok ) but some bidders mark all auctions that are offered by that site . if i see that i sometimes place a bid on top of it just so that i do not have to see that name on all auctions lol .


collusions happen all the time . i dont like them and i dont do them .

bidding against friends on paw

suzy if you dont mind i use you as an example .

me and suzy have been paw members for a long time and I like suzy and respect her opinions but when it comes to bidding me and suzy battle all the time and sometimes i win sometimes she wins . i am not mad at her and i hope she is not mad at me . that is just how the game works .

am i guilty of throwing away bids just because a person made me mad . sure iam
do i get over it ? yep

ok thats all

monika

[tinman]

For me, marking sometimes allows for you to get an item for cheap if no one is welling to put up a fight for the item. It only works a few times but the reward is great when it works out. Marking is also good for powerbidders, it allows for the smarter players to stay away from them.

As for jumping, there is no rules about it. Its part of the game. I have been jumped and I have jump other players. One of my favorite wins was ambushing a player who jump me the day before. I waited and watched. I counted the bids that that player had used and executed a perfect ambush. The other thing about jumping is that it helps the PA owners by driving the price higher. If jumpers did not exist, alot of these sites would be losing alot of money. The only rule that I have is that I dont jump a powerbidder. They have earned the respect with their play.

[rwb63]

RWB63 I am going to be very nice to you in this post and gently explain to you that anyone and everyone can feel free to dissagree with me until the proverbial cows come home if they like. I can also assure you, that if they are correct in their dissagreements of me or my business, then I will be the first to own up to being wrong and appologize profusely for it.

However, while in the process of dissagreeing with me, if people make incorrect statements about me or my business and are sarcastic in the process, as well as attempting to influence others who may otherwise not have any way of knowing if their statements are correct or not, then I think I have a right to respond in a way that not only sets the record straight, but also admonish them for any incorrect reporting. I seriously doubt anyone would like to have their business hurt through eronious comments.

I would sincerely hope you can understand and agree with that. I don't want to have cross words with you or anyone else, please believe that.

With regard to others who made comment about my company name being attached to the bottom of my post. I assure you, my name at the bottom of it is PAW approved. This is the only permitted LIMITED use of name insertion that paw allows FREE.

If PAW wishes to change the rules, then my company name will be removed immediately as I am sure will all others who have also had approval to insert their name. Please be assured that no one is trying to slip something in with the hope it won't get noticed or tying to save a buck. I sincerely hope my explanation is adequate, but if not, then I am the wrong party to complain to, it is an issue that PAW needs to deal with.

My earlier post was directed primarily to the Penny Auction Owner.
The things I said in it are 100% true and factual and to the best of my ability I stayed on topic which included the issue of collusion posted by ggrahamic, therefore, no thread was hijacked.

With regard to my asking to be contacted privately, my intentions behind the request were honorable. As you can well imagine, it would be a daunting task to try and make contact with PA site owners not knowing if they wished to be contacted or not, this is why I said for those interested, please feel free to contact me privtely. If I had said hey PA owners contact me HERE on PAW, then I could be rightfully accused of hijacking a thread.

Please look at my original post on the topic of collusion as me trying to be helpfull to BOTH the PA Owner and the PA user (customer). To stop collusion and other similar offenses, which as you know especially hurts the average bidder, it must be stopped at the PA owners level. I have found a way to stop it which is in the best interest of everyone. I am quite prepared to pass my information on to my competitors, who in turn will pass the information on to you their customers.

Please understand, that the relationship between PA Owners and their customers should not be adverserial, both should have a common goal of doing away with collusion of any kind and doing away with the great disparity that exists between prolific winners and non winners.

Barbarian this is the last time I will reply to you on this.
You really need to read the threads before you post.
ggramamic said nothing on collusion in this thread.

Secondly and last
I never once said nothing negative about your site or called you names now if you want me to go to your level I can.But I find that in my work it's just bad business.
I did disagree with your post for most of it I felt was self promoting that's it and the rest of that post yet some of it true most of it was hog wash and didn't apply even your site.
So call me out and say what you like but it's all there to see and believe if I attacked someone as you did me I would have been banned from PAW.

PAW politics i would guess

I really have no more to say to you as people can read and have there own opinions.
Good luck to you and your site

[rwb63]

to the respect of several members this thread was not about collusion. It may be perceived that way because some jumpers may be there to help others get the win by jumping in and out. Its about the annoying people who just like to jump in when people have battled for awhile(which is understandable to conserve bids in some instances).

Also its about people tagging(marking) auctions. It just annoys me to see one person tagging all auctions of a day on a site, and then they want to complain about "well i had that marked, why did you bid against me". Well what did you expect you have every auction tagged. duh! Stop tagging every auction. If you chose pick one to tag then go after others without tagging. I respect that more. To me its a bullseye for me to go after someone who seems to be so greedy that they want to tag everything

I for one really dont tag but have on very,very few occasions. Only if it is something i really want. If thats the way you chose to bid then so be it. Remember people are not being rude they just want to win something.

Like I wrote before ggram I tag to show interest that's all and as for jumpers it's part of the game.
I think tagging can help and hurt you ,but I feel it's a good way for all to see who they may have to battle.
Also when a bidder shows they may be in that auction are they really jumpers then. Like you said sometimes there is no used to bid when others are battling.

Hope this helps

[op19]

For me, marking sometimes allows for you to get an item for cheap if no one is welling to put up a fight for the item. It only works a few times but the reward is great when it works out. Marking is also good for powerbidders, it allows for the smarter players to stay away from them.

As for jumping, there is no rules about it. Its part of the game. I have been jumped and I have jump other players. One of my favorite wins was ambushing a player who jump me the day before. I waited and watched. I counted the bids that that player had used and executed a perfect ambush. The other thing about jumping is that it helps the PA owners by driving the price higher. If jumpers did not exist, alot of these sites would be losing alot of money. The only rule that I have is that I dont jump a powerbidder. They have earned the respect with their play.

Not jump a power bidder? Those are the people you want to jump. The A-holes who bid OVER the buy-it with your bids cost of an item just to try to intimidae others. The A-holes who, having established a rep as "power bidders", bid on an auction to scare away others, then stop bidding and let another of their user names or their collaborators win, thus saving the power bidder from the win limit. The A-holes like the one who in just TWO days on Swoopo won EIGHT iphones. And the other A-holes who dominate swoopo.

[Shenanigans]

Not jump a power bidder? Those are the people you want to jump. The A-holes who bid OVER the buy-it with your bids cost of an item just to try to intimidae others. The A-holes who, having established a rep as "power bidders", bid on an auction to scare away others, then stop bidding and let another of their user names or their collaborators win, thus saving the power bidder from the win limit. The A-holes like the one who in just TWO days on Swoopo won EIGHT iphones. And the other A-holes who dominate swoopo.

Why hold back? Take a deep breath and tell us how you really feel.

I have not yet had to jump an auction, but as Monikab pointed out, there are reasons for waiting to get in an auction, and it's just part of the game.

[Bargainsandfun]

Why hold back? Take a deep breath and tell us how you really feel.

I have not yet had to jump an auction, but as Monikab pointed out, there are reasons for waiting to get in an auction, and it's just part of the game.

welcome back!

(sorry didn't mean to hi-jack the thread)

[dzignr_tastz]

Not jump a power bidder? Those are the people you want to jump.

Not unless you just like losing money, you don't.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not justifying collusion (which is what it sounds like you're speculating on at Swoopo), and I can't blame you for being upset over that. However, to me, powerbidding doesn't necessarily mean swiping everything up in sight, but more so winning what you put your mind to winning (regardless of the cost at times). Then again, you have to have money in the first place to be able to do that...

Plus, at some point, $25 Amazon cards just aren't worth it for an experienced bidder, especially when there are strict win limits in place. Then again, that just means more reasonable priced items for beginners to learn on and work their way up from.

welcome back!

(sorry didn't mean to hi-jack the thread)

Worthwhile (and short) hijacks are allowed - LOL!!

[tinman]

Not jump a power bidder? Those are the people you want to jump. The A-holes who bid OVER the buy-it with your bids cost of an item just to try to intimidae others. The A-holes who, having established a rep as "power bidders", bid on an auction to scare away others, then stop bidding and let another of their user names or their collaborators win, thus saving the power bidder from the win limit. The A-holes like the one who in just TWO days on Swoopo won EIGHT iphones. And the other A-holes who dominate swoopo.

You got some issues..........You are getting to emotional. When you jump a power bidder, the best you can get is a pyrrhic victory where everyone loses. But you lose more because you are not playing their game. To beat a power bidder, you have to be one and be willing to take massive damage to win.

By the way, Swoopo is different type of environment than the other PA sites.
Since they switch to one cent auctions, it is alot harder to figure out an end point for a win. All the iPhones are one cent auctions with extrabids, so you are competing with alot of people with poor odds of winning. I would stay away from Swoopo especially the one cent auctions.